AFAF Ep. 13: The Evolution of Queer Southern Law with Sarah Saint and Milan Pham

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AFAF Ep. 13: The Evolution of Queer Southern Law with Sarah Saint and Milan Pham
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On the season three premiere of the Asking for a Friend podcast, host Dr. Laura McGuire sits down with Sarah Saint and Milan Pham, two queer southern lawyers, to discuss the future of marriage equality in the wake of the Supreme Court’s overturn of Roe v. Wade, queer parental rights in family planning, and the evolving legal landscape for trans folks in the South.

Based in Greensboro, North Carolina, Sarah Saint (she/her) advises and litigates on behalf of public and private educational institutions and school boards on an array of education law issues, including special education and disability issues, civil rights laws, and tort claims. She also represents businesses in a variety of industries to resolve disputes, litigating in state and federal court when necessary. Sarah has a particular focus on diversity and civil rights issues, including issues related to race, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, and religion. Connect with Sarah on LinkedIn.

Milan T. Pham (she/her) is a founding member of the Durham-based NicholsonPham, LLC. Milan is honored to serve on the National Family Law Advisory Council of the National Center for Lesbian Rights. Additionally, she is an adoption and assisted reproductive technology Fellow with the Academy of Adoption and Assisted Reproduction. She is a Fellow from the 2008–2010 Friday Fellowship class. She currently serves as a Board member for the following community organizations: Equality NC, The Pauli Murray Center for History and Social Justice, and Carolina Jews for Justice. As part of her service to her profession, Milan serves on the Adoption Committee, the Modern Family Committee, and the newly founded Committee on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity of the NC Bar Association. Contact Milan at [email protected].


Dr. Laura McGuire (they/them) is an intersectional queer sexologist, doula, educator, and parent of two. In this show, Laura sits down with special guests for thought-provoking conversations on how sexuality, gender, race, faith, and ability shape our sexual experiences and identities as queer people.

Asking for a Friend is a Spectrum South podcast. Hosted by Dr. Laura McGuire. Produced by Dani Benoit. Don’t miss an episode—subscribe now on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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